Comic 172 - Unlikely hero..

25th Mar 2014, 12:00 AM
Unlikely hero..
Average Rating: 5 (13 votes)

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Centcomm 25th Mar 2014, 12:00 AM edit delete
the reason Roses image doesnt change is the buffer on her comms isnt working right..
Centcomm 26th Mar 2014, 3:30 PM edit delete
Sorry for the lack of comments - I burned my hand on the stove cooking. so its been a bit difficult to type. Ill try to get everyones comments caught up ! :D
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Dragonrider 25th Mar 2014, 12:05 AM edit delete reply

If she hadn't stopped a second surgery wouldn't have been possible. However after this is over I move we follow her other suggestion, the one about the rover.
Centcomm 26th Mar 2014, 3:30 PM edit delete reply

LOL some peoples still dont like Granger .. not surprised :D
cattservant 25th Mar 2014, 12:06 AM edit delete reply

I figured Ms Rose's nano-adrenaline was about to reach critical mass!
Centcomm 26th Mar 2014, 3:31 PM edit delete reply

oh gods yes!
jamie59 25th Mar 2014, 12:13 AM edit delete reply

LOL!!! "Sandblaster enema" where oh where does Rose get the things that come out of her mouth?
cattservant 25th Mar 2014, 12:25 AM edit delete reply

Her Creativity Nodes are direct wired to her Language Banks!
velvetsanity 25th Mar 2014, 1:08 AM edit delete reply

Her profanity filter is inverted. ^_~
cattservant 25th Mar 2014, 1:52 AM edit delete reply

You sure it's not entirely bypassed?
velvetsanity 25th Mar 2014, 3:11 AM edit delete reply

No, it's inverted. Means instead of blocking the profanity, it blocks the nonprofanity :D
King Mir 25th Mar 2014, 1:24 PM edit delete reply
I assumed you meant that it's inverted because instead of bleeping and removing profanity it amplifies it. Cause it seems to do that.
velvetsanity 25th Mar 2014, 8:35 PM edit delete reply

Precisely, Mir :D
Jacob J Sebastian 25th Mar 2014, 2:01 AM edit delete reply
The source of Rose's profanity would be The Woman, The Myth, The Legend: Krissy Smoot. I've been involved with RPG's she has run. Her rants are the things of legend.
Tokyo Rose 25th Mar 2014, 9:20 PM edit delete reply

Well, if one-third of the players weren't trying to be Captain Creativepants and another third weren't stunned into drooling moon-eyed immobility by the slightest flicker of ingenuity and the last third weren't just there to stand around and watch the rest of them for the cheap entertainment, I wouldn't have spent so much time inventing new words to describe the exact degree of molestation happening to my storylines!

It's going to be a great night when someone goes into the other room to confer with the GM and the only thing anyone else hears is "YOU WANT TO DO WHAT?!"
Alexander the So So 25th Mar 2014, 9:40 PM edit delete reply
HAH! Ahh, yes, those were some of my proudest moments as a gamer, making the dm/st say those words. Hell, that would be the greatest con panel ever. You want to do WHAT? Players, and how to handle them.
Tokyo Rose 26th Mar 2014, 2:57 AM edit delete reply

I might even sit in on that panel if they'd let me talk about how I used to casually carry a studded shillelagh around.
Sheela 26th Mar 2014, 7:25 AM edit delete reply

Sidles up to Rose, "Hey Rose, I want to backstab with a railgun." :)
Centcomm 26th Mar 2014, 3:36 PM edit delete reply

That was Marcus .. :D rather the player who played him :D or someone trying to Melee with a heavy flamer >_<
Tokyo Rose 26th Mar 2014, 7:47 PM edit delete reply

You want to backstab. With a railgun. We have a word for that. It's called "sniping". And it's also called "I KNOW I DID NOT APPROVE THIS RAILGUN WHERE THE HELL IS MY ASSISTANT WHO IS GOING TO DIE"
Stormwind13 26th Mar 2014, 9:22 PM edit delete reply

Handling them is easy Alex... It involves the Tome of Smiting... The 300 pound slab of chiseled rock (it says tome of smiting on it) that you rigged to the ceiling being released upon the offending player. Problem solved. :-D
Centcomm 26th Mar 2014, 3:31 PM edit delete reply

I think its fueled by her unrelenting rage :D
Jacob j Sebastian 25th Mar 2014, 12:20 AM edit delete reply
cattservant 25th Mar 2014, 12:26 AM edit delete reply

The space between the Earth and the Moon.
Fairportfan 25th Mar 2014, 3:21 PM edit delete reply

Which light-speed communications take almost three seconds to bridge in a round-trip loop.
Centcomm 26th Mar 2014, 3:36 PM edit delete reply

well in this case the system buffer froze like a skpe call that just locks up in the middle of a call ( another reason Rose cant do the surgery )
Fairportfan 25th Mar 2014, 1:52 AM edit delete reply

"Humans are happening"

Stormwind13 25th Mar 2014, 7:05 AM edit delete reply

That is a great line, Rose. :-D Despite the drama going on I had to laugh at that line. And it is so true, "Humans are happening."
Centcomm 26th Mar 2014, 3:37 PM edit delete reply

hehe it really is a great line :D
Sheela 25th Mar 2014, 2:15 AM edit delete reply

Auto-Doc is called Avi ?
... COUSIN AVI !!!

OMG, it all makes so much sense now.
I so approve of this new development. :)
Centcomm 26th Mar 2014, 3:37 PM edit delete reply

LOL excellent :D
velvetsanity 26th Mar 2014, 6:34 PM edit delete reply

I love that movie!
Sheela 26th Mar 2014, 11:20 PM edit delete reply

Yeah, it's a damn fine movie.

I wonder though, does Avi like dags ?
mjkj 25th Mar 2014, 6:20 AM edit delete reply

Ah, I like the interaction between Dr. Cooper and Avi :D

But I am sure Avi would have prevented that coupling.

What I am wondering though is the time delay with Rose...
At first it takes some time for her to hear the events taking place (which is as it should be) and then she seems to interact with Jet and that Dr. Weisz in real time... (even being stopped in mid-sentence by Jet...)
velvetsanity 25th Mar 2014, 10:37 AM edit delete reply

The time delay is there, but if they put in pauses for the delay, this would take about 10 times as long to show us, because every other panel would be a pause in the conversation and would make it rather boring and slow to read.
Fairportfan 25th Mar 2014, 3:25 PM edit delete reply

Or perhaps they have FTL comms?

(Nora Roberts {writing as J.D.Robb} has a series many are familiar with - a police-procedural/romance series set in 2054. I doub sincerely that we'll have half the tech she's given them in just forty years, particularly the faster-than-light comms implicit in a couple of sequences.)

The problem i see if they don't have FTL comms is that Rose is running a command/control loop where instant decisions may be vital.
Tokyo Rose 25th Mar 2014, 9:29 PM edit delete reply

I fucking love the Eve Dallas books. The world-building there is subtle but thorough, very immersive, and I've always loved the way that author handles her characters.

I want a flying car, though, dammit.
Fairportfan 25th Mar 2014, 3:39 PM edit delete reply

He might not be able to - if he's subject to the Three Laws, whether or not he'd be unable to disobey the order (Second Law: "A robot must obey the orders given to it by human beings, except where such orders would conflict with the First Law.") - i assume it would depend on whether he perceives Galina as human (First Law: "A robot may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm.")

So, if Avi perceives Galina as human, he can intervene. If he sees her as an android, then he can't.

(Amy was, presumably, obeying First Law because she saw Galina as human.
velvetsanity 25th Mar 2014, 8:39 PM edit delete reply

Based on the first time he operated on her, I'd guess that he's capable of seeing her as whichever he chooses due to her unique construction. Also, as a doctor, I posit that he is subject to the Hippocratic Oath, which requires he work in his patients' best interests regardless of *anything* else.
Centcomm 26th Mar 2014, 3:41 PM edit delete reply

Correct Amy has classed her as Human. Doc sees her as "sentient" and possably Human but enough that he would defend her under the "Do no harm" hippocratic oath.
Centcomm 26th Mar 2014, 3:38 PM edit delete reply

Yeah had she actually hit the execute they probabliy would have gotten to see doc get into a laser scaple fight with the AM-COM auto doc .. and Doc would have won because he can actually think..
Tokyo Rose 26th Mar 2014, 7:49 PM edit delete reply

*quietly makes lightsaber noises*
Stormwind13 26th Mar 2014, 9:11 PM edit delete reply

Here you go, Rose... Duel
Stormwind13 25th Mar 2014, 7:04 AM edit delete reply

Another fan of Dr. Granger I see. Throwing him under a rover though might damage the rover, which would be bad. Just space him and be done is my vote.
Centcomm 26th Mar 2014, 3:41 PM edit delete reply

Don B. 25th Mar 2014, 1:27 PM edit delete reply
I don't know if it has been mentioned whether Avi is classified as a robot or android. All I know is that he acts more like an android than robot. Either way, I like his attitude.
Sheela 25th Mar 2014, 5:31 PM edit delete reply

I suspect Avi is classified as an AI capable robot, even if his main computingcore has brain matter in it, then it would just be considered a bio-computer.

But he's definately smart enough to be considered a fully fledged AI.
Stormwind13 25th Mar 2014, 6:50 PM edit delete reply

I wonder, Sheela. Is Doc a full fledged AI... or what is called a smart system?

Doc's knowledge of medicine and things medical is incredible. Doc's abilities in other areas, we don't know. There is little if any sign of them, so far.

Tellingly though, Doc (apparently) made no attempt to rescue itself from the abandoned base. Doc also didn't attempt to intervene in the destruction of Nadia Base. No attempt to 'preserve' life or the base even (that we are aware of at least).

A true AI system isn't limited to a single field or even a group of related fields. Currently, we really don't know if the Doc has that capability or if Doc is just a (VERY) smart system in the medical fields. :-) Some of the signs though point more toward the latter, to me.
Tokyo Rose 25th Mar 2014, 9:26 PM edit delete reply

More the latter. Doc is a case of an "expert" system achieving pocket-AI-hood. Since this generally makes a given system better at its assigned job, it's seen as a benefit.

Androids are a weird zone because of the "is that human or not" issue. Doc is emphatically and unequivocally non-human, so even if he's behaving in a way perfectly in line with human interactions, there isn't any fuss. Androids, though, can LOOK human . . . so that's another matter. It's one of the things we're exploring in "Luna Star".
Stormwind13 25th Mar 2014, 10:51 PM edit delete reply

Kind of thought that might be the case, Rose. Doc isn't JUST a computer, but somewhere in-between. Not into Deep Blue land, but definitely not just a computer system acting like a doctor. Nice to have an authoritative voice to share information and wisdom with us (the readers). :-)
Tokyo Rose 26th Mar 2014, 2:58 AM edit delete reply

An authoritative voice that occasionally explodes in virulent profanity is a FUN authoritative voice.
Sheela 26th Mar 2014, 7:29 AM edit delete reply

Well, considering that Avi is probably one of Dr Kotko's experiments in artificial intelligence, it should not surprise that he is sentient.

And I still think Tokyo Rose had a digital finger or two involved in the process too.
Centcomm 26th Mar 2014, 4:25 PM edit delete reply

Actually Doc is a solid Kotko only project :D
Tokyo Rose 26th Mar 2014, 7:51 PM edit delete reply

The base coffeemaker was probably a Kotko project. He was the kind of guy who "tinkers". :D
Centcomm 27th Mar 2014, 2:53 PM edit delete reply

do NOT tick off the weaponized coffee maker that story survived till Marcus's time :D
Centcomm 26th Mar 2014, 4:24 PM edit delete reply

what she said ( Rose ) 10 fold :D
Centcomm 26th Mar 2014, 4:23 PM edit delete reply

"Doc" is a expert system following a "personality Model" That dictates his words and pacing, his actual thoughts are machine code with a ... its a very complex computer model of a person. and makes decisions based on enviroment and needs :D
Stormwind13 26th Mar 2014, 9:09 PM edit delete reply

I think Sheela was wondering (and I'm with her there) if Doc is 'evolving' beyond that system little by little. Given enough time and computing power though, what might be possible? :-)
Sheela 26th Mar 2014, 11:25 PM edit delete reply

Just because something is running machine code, doesn't mean it cannot be complex enough to be sentient.

You could say that the AIS's are also machines, but they are definately sentient too.
Don B. 25th Mar 2014, 1:35 PM edit delete reply
I'm willing to admit that Granger isn't the monster we all thought he was. I'll even admit that he knows his stuff when he has all the relevant information. He's still an overbearing asshole though. In this case, I'll overlook that as it is working in Galina's favor.
Sheela 25th Mar 2014, 5:31 PM edit delete reply

Some may have thought that about him for a while.
XRzer04 26th Mar 2014, 11:31 AM edit delete reply
Ithought Grainger was a good guy now? I mean, if Jerkiness in and of itself was punishable by Death, our numbers would drop too low to sustain a viable population.
I thought geniuses got a pass on that anyway...
Centcomm 26th Mar 2014, 4:25 PM edit delete reply

Sometimes :D
Don B. 26th Mar 2014, 1:34 PM edit delete reply
What's up with the surgical garb? Weisz is wearing some kinda shiny reflective stuff and Wells seems to be wearing some kinda muffin pajamas. I don't know who is behind the machines in the last panel, but whoever it is seems to be wearing a smock. Are surgical uniforms allowed some kinda personal fashion choice in the future or is it just at Luna Base?
cattservant 26th Mar 2014, 3:40 PM edit delete reply

Maybe they are an ad hack committee?
Stormwind13 26th Mar 2014, 9:07 PM edit delete reply

::Groan:: That is a HORRIBLE pun, Cat!
cattservant 26th Mar 2014, 11:40 PM edit delete reply

But you're the only one who noticed it.
Thank you! Thank you very much!
Centcomm 26th Mar 2014, 4:28 PM edit delete reply

all the medical personell are from diffrent areas and fields - and a lot of variants for Bases and such Weisz is from Victory Base one of the biggest Luna citys and she is considered a expert in her chosen field ( spinal re-attachment and repair surgery. She also minors in Cybernetics ) Carla is head Anastesologist for Base 224 and Dr Cooper is a G.P. with a Minor in Surgical. the Stadard wear for Medical is rather relaxed accross the board as long as its not too outlandish.
Sheela 27th Mar 2014, 12:50 PM edit delete reply

Not to mention they are in a seperate room, so they don't have to be sterile.
Centcomm 27th Mar 2014, 2:55 PM edit delete reply

Its about Class 500 clean room thats gowns and masks only in this case its scrubs and masks and glasses and gloves.. thats all they need all the actual cutting and manipulation is done though waldos and smart arms.. :D
mjkj 26th Mar 2014, 5:51 PM edit delete reply

I hope your hand is better now, Cent...

Stormwind13 26th Mar 2014, 9:06 PM edit delete reply

Yeah, try to not hurt yourself CentComm. There are plenty of readers that will 'help' you there! I mean, as evil as you (and Rose) are... The pitchfork brigade will be coming for you sooner or later. :-D
Centcomm 27th Mar 2014, 2:56 PM edit delete reply

:D thank you Stormwind :D
Centcomm 27th Mar 2014, 2:56 PM edit delete reply

working on it .. :D Thank you for the hugs I need those all the time :D
mjkj 28th Mar 2014, 7:45 PM edit delete reply

You are welcome, Cent :)

*hugs some more*
Anon 28th Mar 2014, 3:39 AM edit delete reply
"Humans are happening" Oh Avi, how we've missed you and your cynicism.
Caley Tibbittz Collopy 15th Jul 2014, 7:03 PM edit delete reply

That is a fantastic line.
The Outlaw Otaku 10th Apr 2018, 1:04 AM edit delete reply
So the auto-doc "sparked" damn, that base must've been boring. "Well, everyone seems healthy, so I'm just gonna become self aware, don't mind me."
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