Comic 178 - Two weeks later..

22nd Apr 2014, 12:00 AM
Two weeks later..
Average Rating: 5 (14 votes)

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Centcomm 22nd Apr 2014, 12:00 AM edit delete
Yes there has been a fast forward... the scenes where she wakes up and all that was cut from the script as less than boring .. as was all the political nonsense going on.. so we just capsuled it.. :D
Centcomm 22nd Apr 2014, 12:31 AM edit delete
The Station model was provided by Simon3d at renderosity :D if you use Daz check him out !

Simon 3d
Tokyo Rose 22nd Apr 2014, 5:52 PM edit delete
Tokyo Rose
As a note for everybody who's going to be annoyed/worried/disturbed by the tattoo:

Gloves exist. So does foundation makeup. If it comes down to it, cosmetic surgery to remove and replace the synthetic skin. For that matter, anyone who sees her and doesn't already know what's going on won't really know what the tattoo's for, if they even notice it in the first place. It's not the Scarlet Letter, it's a nightclub hand stamp.

I find this to be a glorious example of bureaucratic dumbness.
Centcomm 22nd Apr 2014, 5:59 PM edit delete
expounding on what rose said.. the tat says

BASE 224 A

the AIP means Artifical Intelligent Prototype.
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Vivocateur 22nd Apr 2014, 12:09 AM edit delete reply

These are some really nice environment shots.
Centcomm 22nd Apr 2014, 1:25 AM edit delete reply

The came out WAAAY better than I expected :D I tried something new here :D
jamie59 22nd Apr 2014, 12:12 AM edit delete reply

Awww Rose's cussing is so amusing. Gali Cooper is right. Just look at the Nazis.
Centcomm 22nd Apr 2014, 1:26 AM edit delete reply

I know right! but sense galina is a machine its ok right?? right??

SHakes head sadly.. sighs
mjkj 22nd Apr 2014, 2:03 AM edit delete reply

Poor Galina. Seems like she did not pay attention in history class...

Maybe she can get a skin transplant later on to remove it...

Centcomm 22nd Apr 2014, 4:31 PM edit delete reply

its more a slap to not "pretend" to be a human *eyeroll*
cattservant 22nd Apr 2014, 12:22 AM edit delete reply

Being human is not necessarily something to strive for.
Mark N 22nd Apr 2014, 12:38 AM edit delete reply
Yet she will continue to do so. After all, some of her best friends are human.
Centcomm 22nd Apr 2014, 1:26 AM edit delete reply

As mark said.. and yeah Gali will still try ..
mjkj 22nd Apr 2014, 2:01 AM edit delete reply

...and that tattoo will hinder her with that more than she thought...
Centcomm 22nd Apr 2014, 5:38 PM edit delete reply

it will yes.. it sets her apart.
plymayer 22nd Apr 2014, 12:38 AM edit delete reply

Ya, my daughter has a tattoo too.
Centcomm 22nd Apr 2014, 1:26 AM edit delete reply

ill bet its not a ID code
plymayer 22nd Apr 2014, 1:42 AM edit delete reply

Not per say. But don't they all help identify you?
Sleel 22nd Apr 2014, 9:33 AM edit delete reply

They can, if people know they are there. Just like a birthmark ppl know about can. An ID code? That's someone trying to identify you as chattel. And chattel only have the rights 'ppl' deign to give them. When convenient.
I clench my teeth in anger when I look at crap like that. Pisses me off. Packaging doesn't matter to me, sentience does.
plymayer 22nd Apr 2014, 9:50 AM edit delete reply

Well said.
Centcomm 22nd Apr 2014, 5:37 PM edit delete reply

I totally agree with you sleel :D
mjkj 22nd Apr 2014, 1:59 AM edit delete reply


Poor Galina. At first I thought it took that long for her to wake up...

And yeah, I would not have allowed the tattoo - even if I did not mind - it sets a precedence for all later androids who do not have a choice.

*hugs Galina many times*

Centcomm 22nd Apr 2014, 5:37 PM edit delete reply

nor did they for several hundred years :/
mjkj 22nd Apr 2014, 6:19 PM edit delete reply

See, that is what I said. It set a bad example...

That was not a good choice, Galina...

She looks so sad in panel 3 looking at that tattoo...

*hugs her some more...*
xpacetrue 22nd Apr 2014, 8:13 PM edit delete reply

Centcomm wrote:
"nor did they for several hundred years :/"

Do they ever gain the right to refuse such markings? What about the androids in Datachasers? Aren't they -all- required to have a tatoo or some sort of radio ID transponder or something to identify themselves? We've seen examples of both in the story.

Even if New Troy has exemptions, I'm sure those manufactured in Nova Roma requires such. We aren't shown much of New Sparta, but wouldn't Luna androids have always-on transponders, if not manufacturer markings?

Hmm... what about the Europa Combine? Does Europe manufacture many androids? Or do they mostly import / immigrate?
Tokyo Rose 22nd Apr 2014, 10:50 PM edit delete reply

New Rome does require androids be "obvious".

There are usually "manufacturer marks" on new androids, placed unobtrusively; they're viewed as simply "birthmarks" by most androids. When you can swap bodies at will (finances permitting), being so marked is pretty much a non-issue. Similarly, transponders can be disabled, removed, or simply shielded.

Europe does manufacture androids, but we haven't delved too deeply into the details there yet in the process of worldbuilding.
Centcomm 22nd Apr 2014, 11:34 PM edit delete reply

"Distinctive design is the key word here .. Galina is odd because she is not really distinctive..
Sheela 23rd Apr 2014, 3:51 AM edit delete reply

Hrmm .. seeing as Centcomm once turned my playful idea of Copenhagen being alive into a "and it's AIS is called Ariel", I reckon they would build androids too. Seeing as Denmark of today is pretty heavily into bio-engineering, recycling and green energy and such, I'd guess that it would reflect in the future as well.

So, Copenhagen / Scandinavian androids would be fairly similar to New Troy models, I think, except they would have an improved bio package, including the ability to sweat and excrete smells and even fabricated pheromones, for increased stimilus during intimate relationships.

This also means that in general, Copenhagen/Scandinavian androids are more Bio-Happy than the average New Troy model, simply because their package offers more. Oddly enough, Copenhagen/Scandinavian bio-packages are actually cheaper than the New Troy equivalents, for reasons unknown - Though most expect it to be because they have delved deeper into the mysteries of bio-engineering.

As far as identification goes, there is only one required by law, which is a serial number stamped into their skull, spine and femur, so that the body can be identified in case of a catastrophic event.

Most have adopted the New Troy tradition of very colorful eyes and/or hair. But the main method of casual identification is their internal transponder / comm-relay, which can be turned off if need be - Though it is very rarely done ... and in a few cases, it might even be considered rude to do so!

Apart from that, there's almost no mechanical difference, except for a more advanced knowledge standard package in areas of Bio-tech, recycling, filtering and green energy - Which makes them better adapted to the average job in copenhagen - And also a few internal filters are significantly improved along with a cleaner power source, which means significant longer running time between services.

Also, Copenhagen androids usually have a lifespan of almost 200 years, but are also produced in much smaller numbers due to severe lack of raw materials - Particularly metals. This may sound like a long time, but humans in Copenhagen live almost 160 years on average, due to advanced Bio-Tech.

This means that the few Copenhagen androids that are around, tend to be very well known, almost to the point of being legendary, especially the ones who work in the bodyguard business - Nothing says legendary better than someone who have survived long enough to acumulate 200 years of wasteland experience. They also tend to be both extremely well learned, experienced and rather cautious, and are very careful about binding themselves to someone else, almost shy even.

Once they do, however, they are very loyal.
Some people say that a Copenhagen android cannot be bought, only befriended.

It's also extremely rare for a Copenhagen android to change body due to fashion, they simply don't have the raw materials for it and while the bio package is cheap, the metal "skeleton" is more expensive than a New Troy "skeleton".

... uhm ...

I think I'm done rambling.
Sorry for the wall of text.
xpacetrue 23rd Apr 2014, 2:04 PM edit delete reply

Sheela, you sound like you're familiar with a Denmark or Europe setting in the Datachasers universe. Does this mean you were a part of Centcomm's roleplaying sessions? (Just curious.)
Sheela 23rd Apr 2014, 2:29 PM edit delete reply

Naw, I just live in Denmark, so I tried to transfer some of that into a datachasers setting.

I've never met any of the scoundrels who are behind Datachasers IRL.

Also, I tend to ramble on a bit, once I get going. So obviously, Centcomm can just say "Nope, that's not how it works" or "Yeah, that sounds about right" at the drop of a hat - She can choose to take inspiration from what I rambled about, or ... not.

... now I almost feel like having to add a disclaimer to my ramblings.
Do I have to add disclaimers ?
Centcomm 23rd Apr 2014, 2:48 PM edit delete reply

well I for one think its a really cool perspective . we will have to wait to see what rose thinks - as for Sheela being in my RP group - no .. but there are several readers I wish were in my group :D
Sheela 23rd Apr 2014, 6:46 PM edit delete reply

Unfortunately, some of those readers live halfway around the globe.

Very unpractical, that is.
mjkj 23rd Apr 2014, 7:01 PM edit delete reply

xpacetrue 22nd Apr 2014, 3:37 AM edit delete reply

It is disturbing that they pushed to have her tatooed with an ID code. However, it's not at all surprising. Nor is it surprising that the judges insisted that she doesn't try to pass herself off as a normal human.

(BTW: If the judges used the term "normal human" by way of comparison, that'd be interesting. It implies she's merely a different kind of human.)

On the surface, she is indestinguishable from a human in almost every way. Even talking with her won't reveal her nature. That has to scare the fecal matter out of a lot of people. Consider the recent political climate, especially with the wars on Terra and the strained relations and paranoia on Luna. They'd be worried about the possibility of android assassins and spies. And sentient andriods are so new that I bet many haven't even heard of them. Consider, also, how those war robots seemed to go rogue on Terra and killed all those civilians.

But it sounds like a lot of them missed the relevance: If she even thinks and acts so closely to a 'normal human' that they'd have a real difficulty noticing anything out of the ordinary, maybe she's more human than android?

On the one hand, I'm disappointed that they gave her the label "android" instead of just calling her an artificial human. It carries a -lot- of connotation and stereotypes, including (as we've seen) the implication that she's a robot or machine. On the other hand, this label does have her paving the way for android rights.
Centcomm 22nd Apr 2014, 5:36 PM edit delete reply

yep remember at this time and for a couple of hundred years machine intelligences are "owned" and not considered people.
Timotheus 22nd Apr 2014, 4:12 AM edit delete reply
A tattoo ID on the hand is not a particularly onerous or foolproof system. Any human could have such a tattoo on their hand, the tattoo can be easily altered on a synthetic being, and can be easily concealed in number of ways. A biochip or transponder circuit would be far more practical and demeaning. This smacks of some one's frantic stop gap idea.
cattservant 22nd Apr 2014, 8:00 AM edit delete reply

Centcomm 22nd Apr 2014, 5:36 PM edit delete reply

it is exactly as you stated Tim :D
Stormwind13 22nd Apr 2014, 7:09 AM edit delete reply

That first panel is GORGEOUS! It looks so real. Thank you, CentComm.

Galina looks a little different here. Her face looks a little more mature (to me). Her hair is different too. :-)
cattservant 22nd Apr 2014, 8:04 AM edit delete reply

The third stage of letting her hair down.
Centcomm 22nd Apr 2014, 5:35 PM edit delete reply

yep this is the first time you guys have seen her with her hair fully down instead of up and if it seems a bit fluffy.. thats because of the less than 1gee of the station shes also wearing low mag boots.
Big Nemo 22nd Apr 2014, 10:43 AM edit delete reply

The whole page is gorgeous... especially the first panel.

Just curious: Earth in the background really looks like one of those pictures from the ISS - down to the smallest details. Is it a rendering, or did you use a real photograph?

ID codes suck. ID codes printed into your exposed skin suck *more*. I guess the court wanted her to be recognizable as an "artificial" life form, not just by mandated authorities (they could use the equivalent of a RFID chip for that), but by *everyone* and at first sight... which sucks, as I said.

Galina acted wisely agreeing to the request, however I just hope she is not going to regret her decision.
Centcomm 22nd Apr 2014, 4:32 PM edit delete reply

I think the background is a ISS pic i swiped to make things easyer :D it was a lovely shot and fit perfectly.

Gali was making a tradeoff .. and yeah heres hoping it does not bite her :D
Stormwind13 22nd Apr 2014, 6:24 PM edit delete reply

Well the only thing I'm SURE will bite her, is Jet. :-D Among other things he is interested in doing, if I'm not mistaken.

Still I don't think it is a good idea for Galina to 'allow' them to brand her even if it can be removed later.

Very little good has come from 'mandated' tattoos. The Jews under the Nazi regime, slaves (throughout history), gladiators, criminals (also throughout history)... generally all those that were considered 'rightless'. Not a good precedence for Galina. Guess she isn't as big a history buff. Bummer about that.

If the entities that wanted her branded knew what they were doing, it wouldn't be possible to remove. The code would be imprinted into the DNA and would come back if the skin was removed. Doesn't sound like they went that route though.
Centcomm 23rd Apr 2014, 2:47 PM edit delete reply

The tattoo was a concession and a reminder to her not to "impersonate" a human. thats really the only thing they have a major issue with right now..
Hornet 23rd Apr 2014, 11:01 AM edit delete reply
Hmmm. How many of you carry a drivers license, medical alert bracelet or god forbid a GPS enabled cellphone?
Sure the tattoo can be abused but so can any and all of the above.
Centcomm 23rd Apr 2014, 2:46 PM edit delete reply

all very true Hornet !
Stormwind13 23rd Apr 2014, 6:14 PM edit delete reply

The difference is that they aren't 'permanent' and don't visually differentiate the individual from everyone else. When it does that, it can be used as a focus for prejudices or as a target for blame.

And who is to say someone won't pass a law that bans gloves or using make-up on the hands. :-7 Or using make-up at all, if you aren't a FULL human. Don't start down that slope is the best advice I think.
Don B. 23rd Apr 2014, 1:12 PM edit delete reply
I'm as impressed with panel 1 as I was with the page in Data Chasers that has the shot of Lynn's boyfriend (whose name escapes me at the moment) flying to Roma in that really cool aircraft. You used an actual enviromental pic there too if I recall correctly. I've always been impressed with your artistic skills CentComm, but these two shots really got my attention. Sure, you didn't render the enviroments per se. You did use all of the elements in such a way as to stop me in my tracks and go "Woah!"
Centcomm 23rd Apr 2014, 2:46 PM edit delete reply

first off .. Thank you I really wanted it to be a show show stopper. I almost made it a single splash image ( and I also need to do a cover shot. for this new chapter.. )

movies and such do a similar thing with "matte shots" where a enviroment is used with the charcters to reduce both workload or get a shot .. I tried to render this shot .. but honestly the shot looked far far better combining the ISS shot with the station and grounds the image in something we all know.

That "whoa" factor is what really pleases me :D
Stormwind13 23rd Apr 2014, 8:17 PM edit delete reply

Well I got lost on that 1st panel for awhile. I'm not sure how long I just gazed at it before I realized there were words and other images to read/look at on the page. :-D

It did stop the show, for me... for at least a moment or two or who knows for sure... :-D
CyberSkull 25th Apr 2014, 12:58 AM edit delete reply

Normally when waking up with a tattoo (or getting one) involves alcohol, not a government work order.
cattservant 25th Apr 2014, 3:23 AM edit delete reply

And a kidney check!
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